A Crevice on the Crane Beach: Finite-Degree Predicates
International audience First-order logic (FO) over words is shown to be equiexpressive with FO equipped with a restricted set of numerical predicates, namely the order, a binary predicate MSB$_0$, and the finite-degree predicates: FO[Arb] = FO[<, MSB$_0$, Fin]. The Crane Beach Property (CBP), int...
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author | Cadilhac, Michaël Paperman, Charles |
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description | International audience First-order logic (FO) over words is shown to be equiexpressive with FO equipped with a restricted set of numerical predicates, namely the order, a binary predicate MSB$_0$, and the finite-degree predicates: FO[Arb] = FO[<, MSB$_0$, Fin]. The Crane Beach Property (CBP), introduced more than a decade ago, is true of a logic if all the expressible languages admitting a neutral letter are regular. Although it is known that FO[Arb] does not have the CBP, it is shown here that the (strong form of the) CBP holds for both FO[<, Fin] and FO[<, MSB$_0$]. Thus FO[<, Fin] exhibits a form of locality and the CBP, and can still express a wide variety of languages, while being one simple predicate away from the expressive power of FO[Arb]. The counting ability of FO[<, Fin] is studied as an application. |
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spelling | ftunivparis:oai:HAL:hal-01587620v1 2025-01-16T22:37:30+00:00 A Crevice on the Crane Beach: Finite-Degree Predicates Cadilhac, Michaël Paperman, Charles University of Oxford Institut de Mathématiques de Jussieu - Paris Rive Gauche (IMJ-PRG (UMR_7586)) Université Pierre et Marie Curie - Paris 6 (UPMC)-Université Paris Diderot - Paris 7 (UPD7)-Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique (CNRS) Reykjavik, Iceland, France 2017 https://hal.science/hal-01587620 en eng HAL CCSD info:eu-repo/semantics/altIdentifier/arxiv/1701.02673 hal-01587620 https://hal.science/hal-01587620 ARXIV: 1701.02673 LICS https://hal.science/hal-01587620 LICS, 2017, Reykjavik, Iceland, France [INFO.INFO-LO]Computer Science [cs]/Logic in Computer Science [cs.LO] [INFO.INFO-FL]Computer Science [cs]/Formal Languages and Automata Theory [cs.FL] info:eu-repo/semantics/conferenceObject Conference papers 2017 ftunivparis 2024-04-30T03:09:05Z International audience First-order logic (FO) over words is shown to be equiexpressive with FO equipped with a restricted set of numerical predicates, namely the order, a binary predicate MSB$_0$, and the finite-degree predicates: FO[Arb] = FO[<, MSB$_0$, Fin]. The Crane Beach Property (CBP), introduced more than a decade ago, is true of a logic if all the expressible languages admitting a neutral letter are regular. Although it is known that FO[Arb] does not have the CBP, it is shown here that the (strong form of the) CBP holds for both FO[<, Fin] and FO[<, MSB$_0$]. Thus FO[<, Fin] exhibits a form of locality and the CBP, and can still express a wide variety of languages, while being one simple predicate away from the expressive power of FO[Arb]. The counting ability of FO[<, Fin] is studied as an application. Conference Object Iceland Université de Paris: Portail HAL |
spellingShingle | [INFO.INFO-LO]Computer Science [cs]/Logic in Computer Science [cs.LO] [INFO.INFO-FL]Computer Science [cs]/Formal Languages and Automata Theory [cs.FL] Cadilhac, Michaël Paperman, Charles A Crevice on the Crane Beach: Finite-Degree Predicates |
title | A Crevice on the Crane Beach: Finite-Degree Predicates |
title_full | A Crevice on the Crane Beach: Finite-Degree Predicates |
title_fullStr | A Crevice on the Crane Beach: Finite-Degree Predicates |
title_full_unstemmed | A Crevice on the Crane Beach: Finite-Degree Predicates |
title_short | A Crevice on the Crane Beach: Finite-Degree Predicates |
title_sort | crevice on the crane beach: finite-degree predicates |
topic | [INFO.INFO-LO]Computer Science [cs]/Logic in Computer Science [cs.LO] [INFO.INFO-FL]Computer Science [cs]/Formal Languages and Automata Theory [cs.FL] |
topic_facet | [INFO.INFO-LO]Computer Science [cs]/Logic in Computer Science [cs.LO] [INFO.INFO-FL]Computer Science [cs]/Formal Languages and Automata Theory [cs.FL] |
url | https://hal.science/hal-01587620 |